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Alts Should Be Banned From Battle
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B [BSRK] 2nd Jun 2013


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First I'd like to define what i mean by an alt account. It's not MegaKillStreak or OldDirtyApu. Those are name changes and the entire community knows who they are. Alt accounts are any account that is used by someone who is known to the community by another name and are used to hide there identity. It doesn't matter when they were created or how much they've been used. Only that we know you by one name and your using another name to hide your identity. The accepted view seems to be that alts are ok if not in another clan. Really how can you ever know if the person is in another clan if you don't know who that person is? On top of that its simply unfair. If you play Berserk you know our members, what they use, and how they play. You get to use that info to develop a plan to beat us. I didn't know i was playing a very good shadow who likes to self stick more than me until mid match. G2S won and they most likely would have won no matter what. They were the better team last night. However we'd have had an entirely different strategy if I knew Hazz was playing for Zap.

Going forward I'd like to see the rest of the community who plays by the rules not allow any alt accounts in battle. Thats up to each clan but I can promise that will never be allowed in a battle with Berserk again. That includes players like SweetMinion. People think they know who it is but nobody can know for sure. He wants to play he can use Bloodmissiles if thats even his real name.
Yadiras69 [ZETA] 2nd Jun 2013

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I don't accept altz in our clan battles unless I know for sure who they are and they aren't in a clan. Its not right to use other players from other clans to beat a someone or let others use YOUR account to play for u to beat a someone. Shows how fuked up this game has gotten at least I can say WE are ZETAS and were not altZ, cheaters, glitchers, or rage quitters we have more integrity than that.


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psychosweetooth [ZETA] 2nd Jun 2013

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I thinks it BS to be having Alts.No diss but why??? i mean clan battles is another thing but idk i think its ridiculous.


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B [BSRK] 2nd Jun 2013


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Timmy so do i and so does almost everyone else. Thats ok. Im talking about joining a clan with that account. If your in another clan its really bullshit but even if not it shouldn't be allowed. You should use your real account only if this is suppose to be legitimate competition.
psychosweetooth [ZETA] 2nd Jun 2013

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Ok well we have the personal and the clan clan wise it is bs and it messes up everything from being some "spy"to geting info personal matters might b ok.but lets b real we all dnt think the same and might just wanna F with the TM system n they just dnt care.
for clans yes ut shall b banned same as glitchers.cheaters n hackers


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psychosweetooth [ZETA] 2nd Jun 2013

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I dnt have an alt so to stay away from drama I just dnt answer or just ignores them foos lol


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B [BSRK] 2nd Jun 2013


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QuoteI know your clan better than you know them yourself.

So why ban one of our players? He's not an ALT account. He's been playing ranked a lot and is one of the best Shadows in the game.

So you know my clan better than i do huh. Are you saying a member of my clan is in Visa or another clan? it seems to insinuate that to me. BTW I make an effort to get to know each member of Berserk the best i can. I can't say i know anyone better than you because it'd be silly to think i knew what your relationship is with any other person. But you do know it all so i guess you can say that.

It's funny watching you try to keep your mouth shut about all your alts (multiple) while still leaving hints. I know you think I'll flip out and you'll get what you want but your wrong. If you'd have paid any attention to anything i ever said not related to TM you'd realize i'm not like that with anyone i consider a friend. well unless they really really ask for it like yourself but this doesn't come close to that no matter what. im more likely to flip out on some random person defending my friend who's wrong. I'd never believe anything cuz you said it but i do know how to sift thru you shit to see what your doing pretty well.

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Zap2772 2nd Jun 2013

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QuoteFirst I'd like to define what i mean by an alt account. It's not MegaKillStreak or OldDirtyApu. Those are name changes and the entire community knows who they are. Alt accounts are any account that is used by someone who is known to the community by another name and are used to hide there identity. It doesn't matter when they were created or how much they've been used. Only that we know you by one name and your using another name to hide your identity. The accepted view seems to be that alts are ok if not in another clan. Really how can you ever know if the person is in another clan if you don't know who that person is? On top of that its simply unfair. If you play Berserk you know our members, what they use, and how they play. You get to use that info to develop a plan to beat us. I didn't know i was playing a very good shadow who likes to self stick more than me until mid match. G2S won and they most likely would have won no matter what. They were the better team last night. However we'd have had an entirely different strategy if I knew Hazz was playing for Zap.

Going forward I'd like to see the rest of the community who plays by the rules not allow any alt accounts in battle. Thats up to each clan but I can promise that will never be allowed in a battle with Berserk again. That includes players like SweetMinion. People think they know who it is but nobody can know for sure. He wants to play he can use Bloodmissiles if thats even his real name.
Does Hazzatic play TM anymore, does =x= exist or play in clan matches?
Also, Howdy wasn't "playing for" me, he is apart of our main line up. As I've stated I am not fully active yet, and if drama is going to start, I shall not be active. I know when I was starting to come back, because of my low skill I was called an alt, I didn't like it too much (though it didn't bother me a ton) however, I'd rather not have the community hating on me cause a few people think Im an alt.

Another point "On top of that its simply unfair." Since when does everything in life have to be fair? This is something you have to deal with, only about 5% of things you'll do in life will be "fair" to you, and TM I guess just is not one of them. I am not fully prepared to go against top teer players like VISA, but I went in I had fun - got my ass beat down here and there. It might not be "fair" that VISA was ready and I wasn't, but I am not going to complain about it, cause what is the point? Its a god-damn game.

This community is small, things are going to happen, everyone makes an alt from time-to-time, I've personally made a good dozen. This brings up one final point, " It doesn't matter when they were created or how much they've been used. Only that we know you by one name and your using another name to hide your identity...Really how can you ever know if the person is in another clan if you don't know who that person is?" If you think about this, how do you know that people who have a known alt account that everyone accepts as real, or a low-skilled player makes one, and since they are not "top teer" odds are you wont are about them. You cant avoid all problems, you're going to have to deal with them.


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BladeAngel7 [=eX=] 2nd Jun 2013


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[quote name=86000 topic=70317 postid=384332 time=1370213639]
but I am not going to complain about it, cause what is the point? Its a god-damn game.

Thank the Fucking Lord!


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B [BSRK] 2nd Jun 2013


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@ zap. first i don't think you guys used someone from another clan or did anything purposefully unfair. I'd even go as far as to say my suggestion does screw over someone like Hazz who i'd guess has reasons for doing it that don't involve being in multiple clans. I simply think more players are screwed over if alts are allowed in. Of course you can't ever stop everything. We cant catch every murderer but the police don't stop trying.

on to your fairness point. This one really blows my mind. Your right very little in life is fair and i'd say 5% is high. However one thing in life that should always be fair is competition. It kinda has to be since once its not fair you can't call it competition anymore. this isn't pro wrestling. we aren't putting on a show for the crowd. we are suppose to be playing a fair competitive team game. why else would we make rules to restrict things like flight that are considered unfair? we spent about an hour in chat prior to the match talking about how we wanted to try to handle lare, sb, and others only to show up and find out there's a player we all know who plays a specific style we could have tried to prepare for. Well i guess we didn't find out when we got there only after. You got to watch a damn podcast of my team or at least lare did and i didn't even know who to prepare for. If i wanted to see how unfair life is id go outside or play ranked. I put all this effort into this cuz i was told its competition which by definition is fair.

Again the thing with you shouldn't be allowed but its nothing compared to what you had done to you the night before. Its also unfair to the rest of the players who don't get to battle cuz the same five guys are in every clan. Again thats not what i believe your clan did only why we need a restriction that would end up not allowing you to use a player like Howdy. You may not be able to spot every alt account but its a hell of alot easier to know an alt than it is to allow the alt but try to figure out if the mystery player is in another clan.
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ranked is a game. clan battles are a team competition thats meant to be taken seriously and to be fair. if not why have it at all
Zap2772 2nd Jun 2013

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First of I'd like to say this: "We cant catch every murderer but the police don't stop trying." You are comparing murder, with alt accounts in a game? Thats a bit of a stretch, just saying.
Competition is meant to be fair, however with the TM game already broken as it is, its very hard to get every little thing to fit just right. JYD to too OP'd, yet we use him. Shadow, back in the day was too OP'd, and now is less so, yet we still used them. Vermin extended Shield (which is legit I will add) is broke, but doesn't stop people from playing "fair" Everyone tries to get that extra edge in a competition, personally I only go in to have fun. As the community we do try to make things as fair as possible, but just because you failed to analyze a players skill, doesn't mean it wasn't "fair"
"You got to watch a damn podcast of my team or at least lare did and i didn't even know who to prepare for" Well I never saw this, but to this I have to say, why did you show a podcast? Is it required to do such a thing? Just cause you didn't know who to prepare for, wasn't our fault. You have to expect that every clan you face is going to have top teer players, or else you are just kidding yourself. G2S has quite a line-up, Lare who is a great JYD/Healer, Marsh who plays a beastly Darkside, Maiu who plays one hellava Sweet-tooth, Antagonist who plays one smart-team-oriented Roadboat, reclaimjoey plays a meat wagon who will get you with those piolets, Sweetbot who plays Roadkill/Outlaw/Warthog at very high caliber of play with each, Howdy who was our healer before lare joined us - who then used shadow and ended up a top teer shadow player. With every clan, you cant go in thinking you have the situation down, the unexpected will happen - you didn't expect Howdy to be that good of a player. Thus meaning he HAS to be an alt? If that were true, I'm an alt too, people say it all the time anyway. reclaimjoey would be an alt, he doesn't come online much. And then all those others who you just didn't expect to be good are all alts. (some of them might be, but doesn't mean everyone is)

All I got to say is its a game, and if you are going to play TM you're going to have to deal with all the little things. We are only playing cause we love the game and we keep coming back (if anyone here has stopped a few times) Play the game, stop worring about fairness cause it wont ever truey be fair, and don't take this game as serious as life, games are meant to fun, challenging, and something you do when you're not living your life.


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Yes the game has many faults which has nothing to do with anything. Why do you think the community has tried to regulate the worst of them out. To make the competition fair. With specific cars both teams get one so op doesn't exist. A change could make better gameplay but it doesn't effect fairness.

I was not saying that murder and alt accounts are in any way similar. Do you really think thats what i meant? I was using it to make a point that just because you can't completely stop something that shouldn't happen doesn't mean the solution is to do nothing. Murder is just an easy parallel for how society deals with the inability to completely stop something they deem inappropriate. Its not just murder we don't catch every jaywalker either.

You can't use the faults of the game to justify faults of a person playing it. Gameplay has nothing to do with this. It wouldn't matter what game it is. We have set up a community based on competitive clan battles and i shouldn't have to justify why its important for it to be fair.
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I've made my points and I will stop here as continuing would bring no good. If you don't understand my meaning in my previous messages, re-read them and think a little. Tm, Its a game, that's how I'll look at it. Fair or not, its still fun.


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Rob 2nd Jun 2013

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Why do you think JYD is op'd?
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I probably shouldn't do this but I think I'll throw in my 2 cents......Its to be expected that people have alts in this and any other game we play(Ive got two even) but when it comes to clan battles alts should not be allowed(I do have an exception to the rule, more in a moment).
Like I said, I have two accounts other than AngryKitten. The first is Unicorn Dazzle, which everyone already knows, and the 2nd is Kelly_KaPOWski, which no one knows. Kelly I created only so I could fight people that wont fight me(it happens a ton so I log out of Kitten and log in as Kelly just so I can fight people on my friends list, secrets out now though...)Kitten though, is my main account, that's not going to change, but if one day I woke up and wanted to reinvent myself with a new name and account, I would tell the important people that needed to know and start playing solely with my new account, placing kitten to the side(or deleting all together)
If Hazz was playing with his new account and no longer playing under the name Hazz then, honestly, that should not be a problem, but if he played under the new name to intentionally mislead....that is where the problems of alt accounts begin.
Zap had well written and well intended responses to what Apu was saying but I had issues with just 2 things. The first being when he said that it should be allowed because life was unfair. I actually understand where he is coming from in saying this but completely dont agree. Just because life is unfair it does not mean that you should be helping making it unfair. This is just a game like he said but if we all had the mentality that it doesn't matter because in the end its just a game so lets do whatever in order to win, well, the game that was being played just for fun will turn out to not be very much fun for anyone at all.
My second issue is along the same lines as the first, when he said that the game was broke already so people needed to do whatever to gain the extra edge. All that statement becomes in the end is an excuse to, for lack of a better word, cheat. To say that the complaint started because Apu failed to analyze a players skill is wrong in the sense that had he known who the player was he could have correctly analyzed the player but since he was hidden behind an alt that is when the unfair advantage began. When a baseball team plays another team, the lineup is released from each team so that they know who to properly place on the field to counteract whomever is against them. Its a common sports etiquette that each team gives to the other.
Also, a lot of players in pro sports agree with you on the extra edge statement. So much so that they took to using steroids to gain that edge, look how well that worked out for them.
Finally, alt players on teams. Long ago, Tara and myself had an idea to start an alt only clan titled Myth. It was to be made up of the best players in TM using only alt names that were mythological creatures. Mine was Unicorn Dazzle, Tara had PegasusSparkles. We asked only the best players we knew and went about forming our TM Dreamteam of players. The rules were simple, only tara and I knew the identities of the other players, no mics would be used to give them away to each other. This helped in calming some of the members who didnt like some others in the clan, but only knew them by their original name, under the new ones they were free to play side by side and never know that they really hated them.
Eventually we assembled the clan, 12 strong in fact, but after doing this a funny thing happened.....no one would play us. Seriously, everybody turned us down when we asked them to fight or scrimmage. We worked really hard at making this clan and it was really sad that we couldn't get it off the ground....
Had this worked and people were fighting us I wouldnt see it as a problem like the one with hazz. We were up front in telling people what we were, an alt clan. People knew this going in, but still wouldn't fight us. Knowing this, regardless of how you feel about alts in clans, if the community shuns it then you have to respect their decision. That is how you must look at the situation that happened with CaptHowdy.
Sorry it was to wordy.


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Kitty I only read the first couple lines but you already made me smile. I do know kelly hell I was in a clan with her once. I will read the rest now cuz its always worth it.
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It was worth it. Always is
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QuoteI probably shouldn't do this but I think I'll throw in my 2 cents......Its to be expected that people have alts in this and any other game we play(Ive got two even) but when it comes to clan battles alts should not be allowed(I do have an exception to the rule, more in a moment).
Like I said, I have two accounts other than AngryKitten. The first is Unicorn Dazzle, which everyone already knows, and the 2nd is Kelly_KaPOWski, which no one knows. Kelly I created only so I could fight people that wont fight me(it happens a ton so I log out of Kitten and log in as Kelly just so I can fight people on my friends list, secrets out now though...)Kitten though, is my main account, that's not going to change, but if one day I woke up and wanted to reinvent myself with a new name and account, I would tell the important people that needed to know and start playing solely with my new account, placing kitten to the side(or deleting all together)
If Hazz was playing with his new account and no longer playing under the name Hazz then, honestly, that should not be a problem, but if he played under the new name to intentionally mislead....that is where the problems of alt accounts begin.
Zap had well written and well intended responses to what Apu was saying but I had issues with just 2 things. The first being when he said that it should be allowed because life was unfair. I actually understand where he is coming from in saying this but completely dont agree. Just because life is unfair it does not mean that you should be helping making it unfair. This is just a game like he said but if we all had the mentality that it doesn't matter because in the end its just a game so lets do whatever in order to win, well, the game that was being played just for fun will turn out to not be very much fun for anyone at all.
My second issue is along the same lines as the first, when he said that the game was broke already so people needed to do whatever to gain the extra edge. All that statement becomes in the end is an excuse to, for lack of a better word, cheat. To say that the complaint started because Apu failed to analyze a players skill is wrong in the sense that had he known who the player was he could have correctly analyzed the player but since he was hidden behind an alt that is when the unfair advantage began. When a baseball team plays another team, the lineup is released from each team so that they know who to properly place on the field to counteract whomever is against them. Its a common sports etiquette that each team gives to the other.
Also, a lot of players in pro sports agree with you on the extra edge statement. So much so that they took to using steroids to gain that edge, look how well that worked out for them.
Finally, alt players on teams. Long ago, Tara and myself had an idea to start an alt only clan titled Myth. It was to be made up of the best players in TM using only alt names that were mythological creatures. Mine was Unicorn Dazzle, Tara had PegasusSparkles. We asked only the best players we knew and went about forming our TM Dreamteam of players. The rules were simple, only tara and I knew the identities of the other players, no mics would be used to give them away to each other. This helped in calming some of the members who didnt like some others in the clan, but only knew them by their original name, under the new ones they were free to play side by side and never know that they really hated them.
Eventually we assembled the clan, 12 strong in fact, but after doing this a funny thing happened.....no one would play us. Seriously, everybody turned us down when we asked them to fight or scrimmage. We worked really hard at making this clan and it was really sad that we couldn't get it off the ground....
Had this worked and people were fighting us I wouldnt see it as a problem like the one with hazz. We were up front in telling people what we were, an alt clan. People knew this going in, but still wouldn't fight us. Knowing this, regardless of how you feel about alts in clans, if the community shuns it then you have to respect their decision. That is how you must look at the situation that happened with CaptHowdy.
Sorry it was to wordy.
Im not saying just cause life is not fair - the game shouldn't be fair. What I am saying, is just cause things don't go your way doesn't mean it should, just cause it isn't fully "fair" doesn't mean it Absolutely HAS to be 100% completely fair. You cant make anything 100% fair, ever.
You're second issue, TM is broken and we try to adjust to it the best we can, we put restrictions for GAME-Related matters. But, EXCLUDING people from clan matches who may, or MAY NOT be alts is truly ridiculous. Say a new-comer to the game starts playing, he picks it up really well...gets into a clan, but oh no, he cant play because someone thinks he is an alt account. I am not saying just because the game is broke - do whatever it takes to win even if it means to cheat - I am just stating that the game is broken and people use the cars that'll give them the edge, big cars like JYD (who is too fast, too Small, Too much health...basically top tier stats for everything) or using Vermin and abusing that Extended-shield, or to Freeze-Power missle, or (though EXTREMELY shunned by the community) use Remote Bombs, these things are put in the game to be used, it might be cheap, it might get on peoples nerves, but its in the game and you have to account for it. Same thing goes with the players in the game as well as a clan.
"When a baseball team plays another team, the lineup is released from each team so that they know who to properly place on the field to counteract whomever is against them. Its a common sports etiquette that each team gives to the other." It was never a secret that CaptainHowdy was in our clan, nor was it anymore of a secret that Marshland, or Myself where in the clan. Our line-up is out there, and I do believe I posted info about G2S members in a previous post just today. Howdy has been in our clan about 2 or so days after G2S re-formed. He has been in most, if not ALL of our battles since we've came back. As I've said he started out as our healer, and then once Lare joined us, became our shadow. Just because you didn't know what car he played or how he played exactly doesn't justify any reason to call him out. Lets Say howdy was an alt, just an average skilled player, wasn't anyone of note previously...would anyone really care? I wouldn't think so, I think people one care cause Howdy is one amazing player. He's too good to be regular player, so everyone calls him an alt. - Which is just bullshit.

Also, I am not trying to "attack" the words you've written, I am only replying to your message kitten, because you've misunderstood what I said, hopefully this clears any confusion. But I stick to what I've said, if you disagree further, then you do. Tm is just a game after all, a thing I'll turn to once I am not busy, when I want some quick fun, I don't care who Im playing against, be it Marsh or Vadimony, Beginingers or Pros, ALTS or the president himself, all I care about is playing the game and having fun. I don't care whether I win or lose. If I don't like how people play in a lobby or if I cared about who they were, I would just simply leave and find a new.


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Hey Vad, fuck you cheater. Anything you say it even more irrelevant now.
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